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This page last updated on 4th October 2008
The following is kindly contributed by Tom Muir, an ex-RAF instrument fitter, with additional notes marked thus from Roger Brooks of the HP Association.
The other day whilst browsing through some old documents I came across my old Royal Air Force Service Record and noted the time I had served with 139 (J) Sqdn at RAF Wittering. My curiosity aroused, I surfed the Net and found your web pages on the Handley Page Victor. Well, did the memories ever come flooding back! There before my eyes were pictures of some of the very aircraft which probably still bear the scars of my screwdriver and which played such a large part in my life.
I have noted that most of the information is related to the Victor's tanker role and that little seems to be known or documented about their first and most exciting role as V-Bombers. For your interest I offer the following reminiscences of a youthful RAF Instrument Fitter from the early 1960s.
Having completed training at RAF Melksham as a direct entry Instrument Fitter (General) in December of 1961, I was posted to RAF Wittering to join a re-formed 139 (Jamaica Squadron) in January 1962. On arrival I found that we had a beautiful new hangar, a full complement of staff, but no aircraft! With all our servicing bays, stores etc. organised, it was with great anticipation that we all gathered out on the perimeter track to watch the arrival of our first aircraft (early February 1962, I think). Out of the clouds and in over the A1 she came, heartstoppingly graceful, XL231! Textbook touchdown, brake chute billowing, anti-flash white paintwork gleaming. She looked new, smelled new, and we were so proud of her.
Others followed in quick succession through 1962 and, as far as I remember,
in the following order:-
XL231, XL163, XL513, XL232, XM716, XM715, (XL190, XL191 I think).
Highlights of 1962 were the arrival of our aircraft and a goodwill trip to Jamaica to show those good people "their Squadron". For those who are unaware of the history, my understanding is that during World War 2, the people of Jamaica donated funds to buy bombers (Beaufighters or Blenheims I think) for the Royal Air Force. In recognition the new squadron was named 139 (Jamaica Squadron) but it was disbanded after the War. During 1962 the Valiants were decommissioned at Wittering and the Victors took over the QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) role. Long periods of boredom punctuated by short periods of panic and frenzy for those who can remember those days! It was particularly tense during the Cuban missile crisis.
| In February 1963, a certain young newly-married airman was called back off his honeymoon to go on a goodwill trip to Mexico! 2 Victors and one Britannia to Mexico via the Azores and Bermuda. A week in Mexico City, demonstrating to El Presidente the wonders of British engineering, and then home via Nassau (Bahamas) and Goose Bay (Labrador). The temperature difference between Nassau and Goose Bay I will leave to your imagination. Suffice to say it was a mid-flight change from Tropical gear to Arctic gear! |
139 Squadron's first Blue Steel-capable B.2 lands at RAF Wittering, August 1963; MoD |
1964/65 saw us joined by 100 Squadron also with Victor B Mk2s. I think it was during this time our aircraft were progressively taken away for retro-fitting and came back resplendent in their low level camouflage livery and wing-mounted "window" boxes. [100 Squadron reformed in May 1962. Some aircraft gained 'window' dispensers before camouflage; XL513 was the first aircraft to be camouflaged, in January 1964.]
Mishaps and tragedies included one of our aircraft running off the end of the runway at the A1 end, and the crash of a 100 Squadron aircraft with total loss of life at Barnack, a few kilometres from the end of the runway. [This was XM714, on 20th March 1964. Co-pilot F/L B. Jackson survived.]
Blue Steel-equipped B.2 being serviced at RAF Wittering; unknown origin |
Life on the Squadron proceeded with the usual mix of pitot static leaks, fuel gauging system problems, de-icing spraying in the freezing dark (I can feel and smell it still!), MFS faults, INS faults, and all the Blue Steel challenges. I wonder if anyone remembers the infamous "Butt 4 Connector"? This was the main multi-pin umbilical connection between the aircraft and the Blue Steel missile and caused us no end of electrical continuity problems. |
The days and nights were filled with Pre-flights, After-flights, Turn-rounds, oxygen re-fills (including the damned Artouste!), sea-boot socks, trog boots, smelly anoraks that could almost stand up by themselves, thunder bucket toilets at the Dispersals ('A' Flight particularly!), self-made midnight meals in the Mess, hours of poker and brag waiting for the kites to come back after 6 hour flights, missing tool tags, GS screwdrivers, loose-article checks, compass swings, exercise Mickey Finns, curly sandwiches left by the flight crew, full warm piss-tubes also courtesy of the flight crew (no problem, the Airframe Fitters had to handle that!), the yellow glow of the sodium lamps, brake chutes in the back hatch, endless hours cleaning the white paintwork of the engine doors with Basol, replacing a pitot head in the freezing dead of night, engine runs on the jet pan, oxygen truck bottle changes, the NAAFI wagon with its cracked-top custard tarts... the memories are endless.
| 1966 brought more excitement when one of our aircraft [XL513], when returning from Australia, suffered a bomb-bay fire and had to land at Gan in the Maldives off the tip of India. A works team from Handley Page went out and re-wired the bomb-bay and we went out to service and check out all the aircraft systems. 5 weeks in the sun on a tropical island the highlight of which was listening to England winning the World Cup in the Sergeants Mess. From memory it was a very good (if somewhat alcoholic) night. Sergeant 'Clancy' Ross where are you now?? After a fire, re-wire, 5 weeks on the ground in tropical salt-laden air, there were many crossed fingers when she gingerly took to the air again. We must have done a reasonable job as she flew safely home none the worse for her ordeal. |
Blue Steel-equipped B.2 XL512 in flight; via Zvi Kreisler |
Most frightening experiences?
In November, 1966, I was posted to Singapore and, even after many more years working on all sorts from helicopters to Phantoms, the 5 years with the Victors were undoubtedly the highlight of my Service career. For me, the Victor is still the most elegant aircraft ever produced, and the sight and sound of them still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end!
For those who may read this and are interested, the following videos will take you back:-
K.2 XM715 at Bruntingthorpe, September 2002; author |
In the year 2000 my wife Mary (who was also stationed at Wittering) and I
will visit UK for the first time since 1973 and you can be sure that a
"must see" will be XL231 at the Yorkshire Air Museum, Elvington and XM715 at
British Aviation Heritage, Bruntingthorpe. If you anyone from the days I have recounted would get in touch, it would be very much appreciated. I would also be interested to know if there is an RAF history of 139 (J) Squadron. |
Tom Muir
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27 people have commented on this page. This is comment section 1 of 3.
Keith Dawes from Dubai | Posted at 2:54pm on Friday, July 9th, 2010 |
Hi Steve, Thanks for coming back to me. I was one of the Sim Techs at the time (I guess it is now getting on for 30 years ago.....). Hope life is treating you well. | |
steve Jenkins from UK | Posted at 8:42pm on Friday, June 11th, 2010 |
Hi Keith! | |
Mike Pezet from Gloucestershire | Posted at 2:41pm on Friday, April 30th, 2010 |
I was an Armourer on 139 and was sitting in a truck at the runway traffic lights at the end of the runway when the Victor overshot in front of us. I have never seen an air crew run so fast, the evacuation took seconds. | |
Allan Wrigglesworth from Gloucester | Posted at 2:40pm on Sunday, April 4th, 2010 |
I was the Gen.Inst.mechanic part of the team for XH620 when first delivered at Honnington. This was a fanastic year of my life working with a great team. I recall that on several ocassions I had to climb through the Bombay hatch with engines running to tap the Jet Pipe Temp. relays into action. We had one or two problems with door opening in flight, oil pressure indication failures. But what a super aircraft. Hopefully XH648 will be back on display shortly, since I once taxied this on the grass near the pan... read more » | |
Bob Young from Scotland | Posted at 7:19pm on Monday, March 29th, 2010 |
Hi Tony... You may well have known my brother Michael (Mick) Young who was Airframes on the B2 IFT at Cottesmore. When the trials were finished they moved to Wittering and became the VTF. After my promotion I was posted from C Flight, (which was made up mostly of ex-100 Sqdn) groundcrew, and I was the Sgt i/c Airframes on VTF. | |
Dave B from CA | Posted at 8:45pm on Thursday, March 18th, 2010 |
Hi Bob I was working at Kingston, Jamaica airport and took some photos of the Victors when they came down also small film clips back in 66 or so. Do you have any photos of the Jamaica visits | |
tony maders from torquay | Posted at 12:04pm on Wednesday, March 17th, 2010 |
Thanks for bringing back those those very happy memories.I was an air wirless/ecm fitter in those days.I was in the trials team at Boscombe Down,and then the accepttance trials of the B2 at Cottesmore.I ended up moving with the aircraft to form 139 sqdn at Wittering.We must have worked together at the time.Regards Tony | |
Keith Dawes from Dubai | Posted at 4:56pm on Thursday, March 4th, 2010 |
Can any recall (or may have even been on the crew) of a Victor K2 at Marham which lost a drop tank on take off. If I remember correctly Steve Jenkins may have been the captain. I think the tank came free of its mounting and swung through 90 degrees dumping the lift on one wing, which the crew corrected. It then fell off & the aircraft rolled the other way....scary stuff. | |
Ian (Eddy) Hunt from alberta, Canada | Posted at 11:23pm on Wednesday, December 23rd, 2009 |
Was stationed at RAF Wittering 1963-1968. In 1963 was a J/T (Airframes) on 139(Jamaica)Squadron. Immediately following the crash of 100 Squadron's XM714 on 20th March, 1963, 139 Sqdn Groundcrew personnel, including myself, were transported to Barnack and spent the rest of the night acting as Crash Guard. | |
Bob Young from Scotland | Posted at 4:13pm on Friday, December 4th, 2009 |
Colin.. Re your enquiry as to the Barnack crash, one of the sqdns aircrew I spoke to told me that the aircraft suffered from engine failure on take-off. It was fairly heavy and instead of levelling off and sorting out the problem, the captain continued the climb. The aircraft subsequently went into a flat spin. As I say, that's as it was related to me. As for Bob's abandoned take-off that was just one incident involving the brake chute. I remember going to work one morning and there on the runway about le... read more » | |
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