John Waller contributes the following:
The trouble with memories is that the strongest ones and the ones you
retain are more often tinged with sadness; one such memory is the death
of two 893 personnel. During the refitting of an ejection seat in
the hangar a service procedure possibly was not followed with the result
that the seat activated taking with it the supervising CPO and the LAM(O);
both died within a very short time of the accident. Now, bearing in mind
that this was within a few weeks of me joining the ship, as the newest
mess member I had the bunk that acted as a seat and was in use much of
the time. This meant I could not turn in until everybody had decided to
vacate the seat. The Leading Hand of the mess had told me that I could
have the next folding bunk to become available. Guess which mess the
fatally wounded LAM(O) was from and I was ordered by the Leading Hand of
the Mess to move my bedding into what was now a spare bunk. The phrase
"Dead man's shoes" almost became too literal.
I remember a car being fired from the port catapult, and if my memory serves
me a dummy was put in the driving seat in a naval officer's uniform. I
often wonder what some future unsuspecting diving expedition is going to
make of one Ford Prefect miles from land sitting on the ocean floor.
Anyway Sea Vixens and the Victorious. In 1966 we sailed with Mk.II Vixens as you know the visual difference being the protruding liquid oxygen tank stowages on either wing. I also remember a rather nasty radio aerial on the underside which was aptly named a 'Sharks Fin Aerial'. During the course of routine servicing as a young greenie (Electrician) I often cursed that aerial as it always caught me as I ran under the aircraft. The scars have healed now but despite the warnings about it we never learned.
Our mess was under the angle either 6a or 6b I can’t remember which for sure. This mess was highly sought after because it had a large recreational space. To our horror, during a refit six new bunks had been added and the 'rec space' was no more. After a count up by the killick of the mess he noticed we had six spare bunks with everybody on board so out came the cutting tools and they were consigned to the deep. All went well until we arrived at Gibraltar. There, six new members were sent to our mess. The reg office was informed that we had no room or bunks, which resulted in a visit from the friendly regulating staff. They took one look and then went off moaning about idle dockyard mateys who had been detailed to install new bunks. Oh happy days!
When I was the deck greenie I used to position myself in front of the
island during launches (standing there, was as close as you could get
to aircraft at launch, any closer and you were toast). I used to like to
stand there at launches, as the Pilot went to full throttle, signalled
his readiness to the FDO, (Flight Deck Officer) my teeth would vibrate;
the noise was horrendous. Even with the JBDs (Jet Blast Deflectors) one
could still feel the hot blast coming from the twin tail pipes. Then, as
they reached full power down would come the FDO's flag - whoosh went the
steam cat and off into the wild blue yonder it went closely followed by
the aircraft on the other cat then the noise was gone. The power of the
Rolls Royce engines was so evident. At times we would launch four
aircraft and then clear the deck to recover four. We attempted to fly
four over four ie four off then four on, turn them around and repeat the
procedure. Of course while we were doing our bit 801 (Buccaneers), 849
(Gannets) and 814 (SAR Helicopters) were all completing their respective
flying programs.
The flight deck was a dangerous place to be during flying operations and considering that the average age on deck was at times less than twenty, accidents were kept at a minimum throughout operations because we were disciplined and trained.
I remember my first visit to the hangar shortly after joining the Vic in 65 I was on my own and found my way down to four deck, (remember I had not even seen an aircraft carrier before let alone served on one). I knew it was on four-deck somewhere so I asked a CPO (who looked very stokerish) if he could tell me where the hangar is. I was at the time actually standing outside the hangar access hatch to which he politely told me so and then went off muttering f****** WAFUS.
Visitor Comments
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Roger Mills from Tewkesbury
Posted at 12:55pm on Tuesday, January 29th, 2013
I have many memories of working with Sea Vixens .As a young Radio Electrical Mechanic (Air) fresh from Heron Flight (where I "qualified to maintain" Hunter T8C and Vampires !),I joined Number 766 Naval Air Squadron in 1965 ,and was informed that I was to be a " Combined Electrical Mechanic (Air)", although the scheme was dropped ,luckily ! Sadly,during my time with 766 we lost several aircraft and aircrews ,one of whose funeral I attended at Yeovilton church ; the Vixen could be unforgiv... read more »read more »
Neil Corbett from aberdeen
Posted at 10:42pm on Thursday, April 12th, 2012
Hi Janet,Bob and John
Have seen your posts regarding test pilots Peter Barlow and Jock Elliot. I am trying to find out more information on Peter Barlow's career and also get decent photographs of him for my test pilot tribute website. Are you able to assist?
Regards
Neil Corbett
Peter Robson from Canada
Posted at 6:29pm on Thursday, November 18th, 2010
Jim Dale and Andy Wade how do I contact you both have written in the comments section? we served together on HMS Victorious on 893 sq. p.s.robson@shaw.ca
Cedwien Brown from Rothwell Northants
Posted at 9:37pm on Wednesday, September 15th, 2010
Cedwien Evans was my Auntie. I was named after her as I was the first girl to be born after her death. Please get in touch Valerie Beasley as I would love to see the autograph book. I am only about 70 miles away from you.
Gordon Pugh from truro cornwall
Posted at 10:56pm on Friday, July 30th, 2010
Hi I was talking to my father only last night he knew Jock Elliot and was telling me he gave him a quick cockpit check before sending my father off in a DH110 at Hurn
Jim Cooper from Geneva
Posted at 12:32pm on Wednesday, June 30th, 2010
Just come across your site. I read John Dickinson's comments of 10.12.09 about dive-brake collapse with interest. De Havilland Flight Test Observer on some one hundred flights out of Hurn, I note from my logbook the following experience when checking on rocket pack load links:
01.05.58 XJ477 Jock Elliot
Flt. 1 - stalls at 10'000ft, 2,3,4,5g at 500kts
Flt. 2 - Dive M=1+, 2,3,4,5g
Flt. 3 - Repeat all above with rocket packs empty
No problems till then, but...
21.05.58 XJ477 Jock Elliot
Flt. 1 Dive... read more »read more »
Janet Barlow from herts england
Posted at 12:37pm on Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010
I was fortunate enough to be married to Peter Barlow's son Bob until he died in 1988. He left behind two sons and he would also be a grandfather of two.
I would be so interested to learn more about my sons grandfather. He died before I met Bob but Bob spoke of him often and told me about the flights he went on with his father. I do have a few photos if anyone would be interested in receiving copies.
Jenny perhaps this would interest your mother.
Hoping to hear, Mrs Janet Barlow
JOHN DICKINSON from CAMBRIDGE
Posted at 8:11am on Tuesday, June 8th, 2010
Hi Jenny Money and Bob Jaffray. To share memories of Jock and Peter contact me on john04 @waitrose .com
Bob Jaffray from Forfar Angus Scotland
Posted at 7:22pm on Sunday, April 18th, 2010
Classic example of finger trouble!!. Jock Elliot and Peter Barlow would not be amused to say the least. The STARBOARD rudder it was what Jock was pocking on the rainy approach in the Sea Vixen to enable him to see where he was going. Apologies BJ
Bob Jaffray from Forfar Angus Scotland
Posted at 10:01am on Friday, April 16th, 2010
FAO: - Jenny Money from Brighton.
Hi Jenny - the loss of your uncle Peter was a serious blow to the aviation industry at that time as well as being one that need not have happened. Just a tiny ancedote from those days at the time when the Sea Vixen was undergoing acceptance trials at Boscombe. Apparently there was good realtions between them and the team at Christchurch and at one Development Meeting Peter was talking of how much of a problem the poor visibility from the off-set cockpit could be, especiall... read more »read more »